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TonyMan

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Posted - Apr 04 2016 :  7:34:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So I found this link when searching for cheap natural alternative dewormers for our cows:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/natural-dewormer-livestock-zmaz77mazbon

It says to use powdered tobacco snuff, (One and the same, i think, but I do not chew) and within an hour the worms should start flowing from the south end. It also states that DE, which rips worms to shreds, doesn't always get the all the worms and eggs inside an animal, but tobacco snuff does the whole nine yards. Thoughts?

Other ideas for Natural Dewormers?

Thanks so much.

TonyMan

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Edited by - TonyMan on Apr 04 2016 7:51:15 PM

maryjane

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Posted - Apr 04 2016 :  7:48:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hmmm, can't get the link to work. I'll try googling it. Eating powdered snuff would make me ... get rid of everything inside:) I think I'd also turn green.

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TonyMan

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Posted - Apr 04 2016 :  7:53:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can get to the page from the link. Or at least I can :)

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maryjane

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Posted - Apr 04 2016 :  7:55:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It was published in 1977 with this footnote:

Editors Note: Tobacco contains nicotine sulfate, which kills the worms in livestock. However, if given too much, it could be harmful to the livestock and make them sick. Today, there are more modern dewormers available that are less harmful to livestock and still effective. Always check with your local veterinarian before administering dewormers to livestock.


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maryjane

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Posted - Apr 04 2016 :  8:18:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can't find much else about its use, Ethan. Might have merit but I'd want to know more.

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TonyMan

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Posted - Apr 04 2016 :  8:29:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So true MaryJane. So what dewormers should a cow owner use? Of course one should always consult a vet. Diatomaceous Earth is one, any others?

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Edited by - TonyMan on Apr 04 2016 8:31:18 PM
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txbikergirl

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Posted - Apr 05 2016 :  07:16:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ethan,

my concern would be the amount of toxic substances utilized in growing and processing the tobacco snuff. i have hear there are so many valuable uses of tobacco, in gardening and livestock, but you would need to find some organically grown less processed stuff to use... and because of that i believe what Maryjane quoted, there are actually less noxious mainstream dewormers to utilize.

i don't know anything about cattle dewormers now, but i got this info when i was looking at chicken dewormers in case i ever needed them. for chickens, i just went the route of applecider vinegar in their water as well as using DE. not sure if it would work for cows.

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CloversMum

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Posted - Apr 06 2016 :  09:17:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And, then we'd have cows addicted to nicotine ... :)

Also, remember it is important to be able to just take a stool sample over to WSU vet to see what worms are actually there as different dewormers work better for different types of worms.

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txbikergirl

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Posted - Apr 09 2016 :  7:29:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i did a little research today to educate myself about dewormers as i felt i wasn't particularly up to speed on it. here is what i posted about yesterday's vet visit which prompted my reading:

"vet visit went fine yesterday. he did give elsa a wormer. we talked about it, and right now he is seeing a lot of health problems in calves in our area with black leg and worms. obviously we vaccinated for black leg, and if they get black leg it just takes the calves, but after talking about it i decided to rely on his opinion regarding the wormer as he knows we aren't people to over medicate and hasn't pushed us at all to conform to the modern ways.

he felt the first year of getting the rumen up to par really sets the calf's health for life - and with worm problems an issue around here it was recommended. keep in mind we have a warm and wet environment, and in the best years we might get frost to kill off things in the ground. this year the winter was so warm we literally went to freezing less than ten times and so i can see all things obnoxious are really strong this summer - weeds, mosquitoes, and apparently parasites too. he wasn't concerned about sally and worms, she is strong and healthy."


in keeping a family cow ( page 238 "worms"), "mature cattle seem to develop a natural immunity after a year or so on their own pasture. this is not the case with calves, so if they must be closely confined on pasture that has been intensively used, consider worming them".

i read more here and there on the internet and found a few other references to similar thought. and the approach with apple cidar vinegar and DE is what most people use in ongoing heard management to avoid dewormers.

i won't be referencing MCK here as my mother has borrowed my copy for her cow trough garden beds and i am without the cow bible for a week or so ;>

the article ethan referenced above was interesting, but the part that freaked me out makes an impact only with the direct quotation, "Within an hour of the feeding, the animal should begin to pass large, seething masses of stomach worms in its feces. (When it does, sterilize the wastes by pouring a little kerosene or used motor oil on them.)"... does it freak anyone else out? large, seething massess??

i am feeling really good about my program right now. calf got the shot and will get her past this summer, we are proceeding with apple cider vinegar and DE and the minerals, so hopefully we are ok.

Firefly Hollow Farm , our little farmstead. Farmgirl living in the green piney woods of East Texas on 23 acres with a few jerseys, too many chickens, a pair of pugs and my Texan hubby (aka "lover boy")

Edited by - txbikergirl on Apr 09 2016 7:31:33 PM
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CloversMum

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Posted - Apr 10 2016 :  9:49:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, come on, Cindy ... you who aren't afraid of snakes that you have EVERYWHERE ... worried about a seething mass of worms?? :) Just kidding ... seriously, that would rather freak me out and then to pour kerosene or motor oil on the pile to sterilize it? What is happening to the ground then? Yikes. So much for going organic and natural?

Apple cider vinegar and DE sound like a good plan, along with minerals.

Loving life and family on our Idaho farm, Meadowlark Heritage Farm; 1 Jersey cow; 1 Jersey heifer; 1 Guernsey cow; Oberhasli & Guernsey goats, ducks and chickens
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txbikergirl

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Posted - Apr 11 2016 :  3:58:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
charlene, if a snake comes out of my cows posterior then i will truly get freaked out about snakes!

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CloversMum

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Posted - Apr 12 2016 :  08:43:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just about spit out my coffee reading that comment, Cindy! With laughter and horror!! :)

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Sydney2015

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Posted - Apr 17 2016 :  3:17:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Me too, Charlene(but not coffee, I almost burst out laughing, but it is true!)!

A good laugh overcomes more difficulties and dissipates more dark clouds than any other one thing - Laura Ingalls Wilder

I live on a small farm of seventy acres called Green Forest Farm, with 10 horses, a donkey, 5 beef cows, 2 beef heifers, 3 Hereford heifers, around 60 chickens, 8 dogs, my amazing cow, AppleButter, and her little Jersey calf HoneyButter!
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